No apparent issues. 442 Main Road, Glenorchy. What do you think of the new Lead Crystal battery technology.

In the mean time however, I need some help from other techies here to see if they agree with my figures or if you can think or other common devices that could be added to the Device Usage/Charging chart that might be of benefit. Guru. New, they had 14.1V. My personal experience is with flooded acid batteries used in gas powered vehicles and motorcycles for the past 50 years.

Charge strength appears to be full. If you need to swap out a car battery for the first time or disconnect it for some reason, you may find yourself wondering which terminal needs to be disconnected first. if you want to save your batteries for long time you must have to chose proper battery charger for them and its not much difficult, as technology improved, A battery maintainer removes the risk of over charging. That’s all I need to know.

am a bit conflicted with the notion of giving the AGM packs good maintenance. An old electrician friend of mine (A.Tony, God rest him in peace !) Any help would be appreciated With that said if your deep sea fishing and are encountering high seas and the bow of the boat is slamming the deck. I found it impossible to determine the conditions under which state of charge vs. battery voltage tables that are published on the web were compiled. will be provided by an environmentally-clean, recyclable nuclear pellet that weighs nothing, takes up no space, operates in all conceivable temperature ranges, and lasts for eternity. If the charger is not temperature compensated, it can take a much longer time to get a colder battery up to 100% SOC. I have been using AGM batteries for about 15 years both Odyssey and Northstar and have found them to be superior to any flooded battery I have ever used. If this doesn’t work, you can repeat the process a couple of times for longer durations when connected to the donor vehicle. 30 amp chargers give off an amperage at more than 50% of the estimated amp hours of a typical starting battery and could be hazardous and shorten the lifespan of your battery. What should I watch out for?

. Sam’s Club installed an AGM car battery for me. 0000023824 00000 n Double the times if 100% discharged. Take for example the .4C charge rate. ?

Battery End Type:Top Post You will get the hang of it I'm sure. Will it require a discharge first, to even them up? Is it better to store the batteries at 65F inside, or at 30F to 50F in my house crawl space? *sigh* We had them on the top of Mountains,  grouped closely together,  in hot concrete and metal buildings.

Ref jon sansfras’ comments on inaccuracies in these battery University publications, my question to him?.

I’ve read anyhwere from 2 amps to 6 amps. Home Battery Bank is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies. The reason your smart charger won’t begin the charging process is because of its built-in safety feature. Thank you for your help on this. AGM has very low internal resistance, is capable to deliver high currents on demand and offers a relatively long service life, even when deep cycled. Vancouver’s average maximum temperature is 6°C/43°F in January and 22°C/72°F in July. Battery End Type:Top Post In an automatic 3 stage charger typically you get Bulk, Absorbtion & Float phases. I figured my maintenance worries were over, that occasional charging during winter (i use it during winter charging that way as well) would suffice. you’d need to load test them individually (after charging) to get any idea of what shape they are all in. keep using the old one is what i say. I replaced it with a similar AGM, since the Panasonic was not available. Maybe it can’t make up it’s mind to charge or not to charge. Sealed or Top-up? I haven’t seen any in this thread, or other threads. Shipping & Delivery (See BU-403: Charging Lead Acid.) Minutes at 8 amps:706 15 amp chargers should be used with caution.

Good for you, I don’t care what you believe or trust or think you know. There is lots of good (factual) information available on charge/discharge life cycles that can be expected. Thank you for your help.

Do not mix and match batteries of different ratings. My battery maintainer does not seem to work on my new AGM battery for my motorcycle.. What is wrong? In my entire multi-decade lifetime, I’ve replaced my “neglected” car batteries less than a half-dozen times. My stock battery lasted 6 years. I appreciate all of the information and experiences shared, it is helpful for me to read the good and bad. I made my measurements after resting the battery under no load for a couple of hours, which seemed to me to be a reproducible condition. It’s wired thru a switch (on-off), so the battery can be set to disconnect from the vehicle (if you run it down during camping, the starting battery is preserved so you won’t be stranded. Thanks for that, do you have any circuits or commercial info for me please, it is something I would like to investigate further. as there is other battery involve will the charging be harmful?? ^^ Thanks for that chart. This is top-notch analysis. 4. Obviously it charges it as it would a regular battery,  thus shortening its life. Maybe your reading comprehension needs to be improved.

I put together the following battery state of charge chart which indicates the state-of-charge (percent) as it relates to battery voltage or specific gravity. Ideally use a charger with temperature compensation and a temperature sensor which can be attached to the batteries being charged.

And, if in storage it should be fully charged every 3 months. If you have an older trickle charger, be sure to remove the cables shortly after the battery has reached its full charge. But every battery must be cared for just like a pet !, I use to say regarding yachts that the batteries is the heart of the boat. My aim is to design the charts to be easy to read at a glance without being too technical.My figures so far....State Of Charge (SOC) for AGM BatteriesIt will be pointed out that SOC can only be measured by voltage when the battery bank has been at rest for at least 3 hours. Ashburton (03) 9005 2020 Hi. TOPIC: State Of Charge (SOC) Chart for AGM Batteries madaboutled. you could also send an email or ask bmw on their facebook page. It should be ” environmentally friendly” as because less material being used, like no gell, no spillables etc. Advantages,  it’s less vulnerable to vibration plus its lighter than a traditional, flooded lead acid battery. There are some that claim to be made by Yuasa to the same specs but a lower price point for resale. Jim, you will want to connect your batteries up to an equalizer such as this one http://amzn.to/2nRe2XE ALWAYS use a battery charger designed for charging AGM's.

In general car or van Alternators work reasonably well with Lead Acid and AGM batteries (not GEL). Would i need to put a charger on it over the winter before returning it to service in the spring? A good thread and some good info but I thinks the theory and practice collide from time to time.

you have no idea what I’ve done or come up with or experienced to state any of your rubbish. you can *try* and add distilled water, but I’ve only ever managed to bring back two to life out of about 20, and even then, at greatly reduced capacity, which will drag the other batteries down if they’re in a bank and only damage them more over time.

it might also mean there is an issue with the battery. Double the times if 100% discharged.

may i ask what is the lowest operating temperature for AGM battery?? This is something many Morningstar and other good quality regulators can provide.

BU-802a: How does Rising Internal Resistance affect Performance? The charts have ranges depending on the CCA (cold cranking amps) or RC (reserve capacity) of your car battery. Don’t know. 76EC3717-8AF5-490F-BCF0-634921BF5C7F.jpeg. FIRST, thank you for BU, I have learned a lot, and refreshed my 45 y.o. Reserve Capacity (min): 120 Minute

It's now 1500 and suns up and your battery voltage is 13.8V and solar is cracking along and charging 20A. Does it make sense that one of the cells is bad and needs fluid? It would be interesting to see what others think about that one. It’s been my personal policy to expect to replace this type of battery without any questions as soon as they get to the 5 year mark. BU-210a: Why does Sodium-sulfur need to be heated, BU-214: Summary Table of Lead-based Batteries, BU-215: Summary Table of Nickel-based Batteries, BU-216: Summary Table of Lithium-based Batteries, BU-217: Summary Table of Alternate Batteries, BU-218: Summary Table of Future Batteries, BU-301: A look at Old and New Battery Packaging, BU-302: Series and Parallel Battery Configurations.

So, 6AH/5 hours = 1.2 amps per average hour from the 1.5 amp charger. In this article, I will be covering how I calculated the numbers in my charts, what type of charger is best for charging your car’s battery, charging your car battery with the car’s alternator, and the length of time to charge a car battery when using commonly available chargers. -Hold that charge much better, so it is not necessary to plug-in after every ride. as for acid burn? %PDF-1.6 %���� seriously, you’re a twit.

the author initially stated that AGM was developed in 1985, which is simply untrue. Risk of overcharging, out-gasing of hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide at large levels can be expected. Measure the voltage across the battery terminals. Voltage (V): 12 Volt

Any advice would be appreciated. (puncture a lithium battery at your peril).

Charging guide Yes, they do but it isn’t an ideal way of charging a 50% or more discharged battery. you must have to use battery charger with over charging cut-off and temperature sensor instead this kind of battery charge will improve your batteries for long lasting as it has temperature sensor which is connected with the battery terminals when it goes over heat charger will stop charging and when the batteries are charged it will be disconnect the power supply currently i am using VICTRON energy battery charger and it has all above mention future. most of what you have written here in this string is simple stuff you google.

No apparent issues. 442 Main Road, Glenorchy. What do you think of the new Lead Crystal battery technology.

In the mean time however, I need some help from other techies here to see if they agree with my figures or if you can think or other common devices that could be added to the Device Usage/Charging chart that might be of benefit. Guru. New, they had 14.1V. My personal experience is with flooded acid batteries used in gas powered vehicles and motorcycles for the past 50 years.

Charge strength appears to be full. If you need to swap out a car battery for the first time or disconnect it for some reason, you may find yourself wondering which terminal needs to be disconnected first. if you want to save your batteries for long time you must have to chose proper battery charger for them and its not much difficult, as technology improved, A battery maintainer removes the risk of over charging. That’s all I need to know.

am a bit conflicted with the notion of giving the AGM packs good maintenance. An old electrician friend of mine (A.Tony, God rest him in peace !) Any help would be appreciated With that said if your deep sea fishing and are encountering high seas and the bow of the boat is slamming the deck. I found it impossible to determine the conditions under which state of charge vs. battery voltage tables that are published on the web were compiled. will be provided by an environmentally-clean, recyclable nuclear pellet that weighs nothing, takes up no space, operates in all conceivable temperature ranges, and lasts for eternity. If the charger is not temperature compensated, it can take a much longer time to get a colder battery up to 100% SOC. I have been using AGM batteries for about 15 years both Odyssey and Northstar and have found them to be superior to any flooded battery I have ever used. If this doesn’t work, you can repeat the process a couple of times for longer durations when connected to the donor vehicle. 30 amp chargers give off an amperage at more than 50% of the estimated amp hours of a typical starting battery and could be hazardous and shorten the lifespan of your battery. What should I watch out for?

. Sam’s Club installed an AGM car battery for me. 0000023824 00000 n Double the times if 100% discharged. Take for example the .4C charge rate. ?

Battery End Type:Top Post You will get the hang of it I'm sure. Will it require a discharge first, to even them up? Is it better to store the batteries at 65F inside, or at 30F to 50F in my house crawl space? *sigh* We had them on the top of Mountains,  grouped closely together,  in hot concrete and metal buildings.

Ref jon sansfras’ comments on inaccuracies in these battery University publications, my question to him?.

I’ve read anyhwere from 2 amps to 6 amps. Home Battery Bank is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies. The reason your smart charger won’t begin the charging process is because of its built-in safety feature. Thank you for your help on this. AGM has very low internal resistance, is capable to deliver high currents on demand and offers a relatively long service life, even when deep cycled. Vancouver’s average maximum temperature is 6°C/43°F in January and 22°C/72°F in July. Battery End Type:Top Post In an automatic 3 stage charger typically you get Bulk, Absorbtion & Float phases. I figured my maintenance worries were over, that occasional charging during winter (i use it during winter charging that way as well) would suffice. you’d need to load test them individually (after charging) to get any idea of what shape they are all in. keep using the old one is what i say. I replaced it with a similar AGM, since the Panasonic was not available. Maybe it can’t make up it’s mind to charge or not to charge. Sealed or Top-up? I haven’t seen any in this thread, or other threads. Shipping & Delivery (See BU-403: Charging Lead Acid.) Minutes at 8 amps:706 15 amp chargers should be used with caution.

Good for you, I don’t care what you believe or trust or think you know. There is lots of good (factual) information available on charge/discharge life cycles that can be expected. Thank you for your help.

Do not mix and match batteries of different ratings. My battery maintainer does not seem to work on my new AGM battery for my motorcycle.. What is wrong? In my entire multi-decade lifetime, I’ve replaced my “neglected” car batteries less than a half-dozen times. My stock battery lasted 6 years. I appreciate all of the information and experiences shared, it is helpful for me to read the good and bad. I made my measurements after resting the battery under no load for a couple of hours, which seemed to me to be a reproducible condition. It’s wired thru a switch (on-off), so the battery can be set to disconnect from the vehicle (if you run it down during camping, the starting battery is preserved so you won’t be stranded. Thanks for that, do you have any circuits or commercial info for me please, it is something I would like to investigate further. as there is other battery involve will the charging be harmful?? ^^ Thanks for that chart. This is top-notch analysis. 4. Obviously it charges it as it would a regular battery,  thus shortening its life. Maybe your reading comprehension needs to be improved.

I put together the following battery state of charge chart which indicates the state-of-charge (percent) as it relates to battery voltage or specific gravity. Ideally use a charger with temperature compensation and a temperature sensor which can be attached to the batteries being charged.

And, if in storage it should be fully charged every 3 months. If you have an older trickle charger, be sure to remove the cables shortly after the battery has reached its full charge. But every battery must be cared for just like a pet !, I use to say regarding yachts that the batteries is the heart of the boat. My aim is to design the charts to be easy to read at a glance without being too technical.My figures so far....State Of Charge (SOC) for AGM BatteriesIt will be pointed out that SOC can only be measured by voltage when the battery bank has been at rest for at least 3 hours. Ashburton (03) 9005 2020 Hi. TOPIC: State Of Charge (SOC) Chart for AGM Batteries madaboutled. you could also send an email or ask bmw on their facebook page. It should be ” environmentally friendly” as because less material being used, like no gell, no spillables etc. Advantages,  it’s less vulnerable to vibration plus its lighter than a traditional, flooded lead acid battery. There are some that claim to be made by Yuasa to the same specs but a lower price point for resale. Jim, you will want to connect your batteries up to an equalizer such as this one http://amzn.to/2nRe2XE ALWAYS use a battery charger designed for charging AGM's.

In general car or van Alternators work reasonably well with Lead Acid and AGM batteries (not GEL). Would i need to put a charger on it over the winter before returning it to service in the spring? A good thread and some good info but I thinks the theory and practice collide from time to time.

you have no idea what I’ve done or come up with or experienced to state any of your rubbish. you can *try* and add distilled water, but I’ve only ever managed to bring back two to life out of about 20, and even then, at greatly reduced capacity, which will drag the other batteries down if they’re in a bank and only damage them more over time.

it might also mean there is an issue with the battery. Double the times if 100% discharged.

may i ask what is the lowest operating temperature for AGM battery?? This is something many Morningstar and other good quality regulators can provide.

BU-802a: How does Rising Internal Resistance affect Performance? The charts have ranges depending on the CCA (cold cranking amps) or RC (reserve capacity) of your car battery. Don’t know. 76EC3717-8AF5-490F-BCF0-634921BF5C7F.jpeg. FIRST, thank you for BU, I have learned a lot, and refreshed my 45 y.o. Reserve Capacity (min): 120 Minute

It's now 1500 and suns up and your battery voltage is 13.8V and solar is cracking along and charging 20A. Does it make sense that one of the cells is bad and needs fluid? It would be interesting to see what others think about that one. It’s been my personal policy to expect to replace this type of battery without any questions as soon as they get to the 5 year mark. BU-210a: Why does Sodium-sulfur need to be heated, BU-214: Summary Table of Lead-based Batteries, BU-215: Summary Table of Nickel-based Batteries, BU-216: Summary Table of Lithium-based Batteries, BU-217: Summary Table of Alternate Batteries, BU-218: Summary Table of Future Batteries, BU-301: A look at Old and New Battery Packaging, BU-302: Series and Parallel Battery Configurations.

So, 6AH/5 hours = 1.2 amps per average hour from the 1.5 amp charger. In this article, I will be covering how I calculated the numbers in my charts, what type of charger is best for charging your car’s battery, charging your car battery with the car’s alternator, and the length of time to charge a car battery when using commonly available chargers. -Hold that charge much better, so it is not necessary to plug-in after every ride. as for acid burn? %PDF-1.6 %���� seriously, you’re a twit.

the author initially stated that AGM was developed in 1985, which is simply untrue. Risk of overcharging, out-gasing of hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide at large levels can be expected. Measure the voltage across the battery terminals. Voltage (V): 12 Volt

Any advice would be appreciated. (puncture a lithium battery at your peril).

Charging guide Yes, they do but it isn’t an ideal way of charging a 50% or more discharged battery. you must have to use battery charger with over charging cut-off and temperature sensor instead this kind of battery charge will improve your batteries for long lasting as it has temperature sensor which is connected with the battery terminals when it goes over heat charger will stop charging and when the batteries are charged it will be disconnect the power supply currently i am using VICTRON energy battery charger and it has all above mention future. most of what you have written here in this string is simple stuff you google.

No apparent issues. 442 Main Road, Glenorchy. What do you think of the new Lead Crystal battery technology.

In the mean time however, I need some help from other techies here to see if they agree with my figures or if you can think or other common devices that could be added to the Device Usage/Charging chart that might be of benefit. Guru. New, they had 14.1V. My personal experience is with flooded acid batteries used in gas powered vehicles and motorcycles for the past 50 years.

Charge strength appears to be full. If you need to swap out a car battery for the first time or disconnect it for some reason, you may find yourself wondering which terminal needs to be disconnected first. if you want to save your batteries for long time you must have to chose proper battery charger for them and its not much difficult, as technology improved, A battery maintainer removes the risk of over charging. That’s all I need to know.

am a bit conflicted with the notion of giving the AGM packs good maintenance. An old electrician friend of mine (A.Tony, God rest him in peace !) Any help would be appreciated With that said if your deep sea fishing and are encountering high seas and the bow of the boat is slamming the deck. I found it impossible to determine the conditions under which state of charge vs. battery voltage tables that are published on the web were compiled. will be provided by an environmentally-clean, recyclable nuclear pellet that weighs nothing, takes up no space, operates in all conceivable temperature ranges, and lasts for eternity. If the charger is not temperature compensated, it can take a much longer time to get a colder battery up to 100% SOC. I have been using AGM batteries for about 15 years both Odyssey and Northstar and have found them to be superior to any flooded battery I have ever used. If this doesn’t work, you can repeat the process a couple of times for longer durations when connected to the donor vehicle. 30 amp chargers give off an amperage at more than 50% of the estimated amp hours of a typical starting battery and could be hazardous and shorten the lifespan of your battery. What should I watch out for?

. Sam’s Club installed an AGM car battery for me. 0000023824 00000 n Double the times if 100% discharged. Take for example the .4C charge rate. ?

Battery End Type:Top Post You will get the hang of it I'm sure. Will it require a discharge first, to even them up? Is it better to store the batteries at 65F inside, or at 30F to 50F in my house crawl space? *sigh* We had them on the top of Mountains,  grouped closely together,  in hot concrete and metal buildings.

Ref jon sansfras’ comments on inaccuracies in these battery University publications, my question to him?.

I’ve read anyhwere from 2 amps to 6 amps. Home Battery Bank is compensated for referring traffic and business to these companies. The reason your smart charger won’t begin the charging process is because of its built-in safety feature. Thank you for your help on this. AGM has very low internal resistance, is capable to deliver high currents on demand and offers a relatively long service life, even when deep cycled. Vancouver’s average maximum temperature is 6°C/43°F in January and 22°C/72°F in July. Battery End Type:Top Post In an automatic 3 stage charger typically you get Bulk, Absorbtion & Float phases. I figured my maintenance worries were over, that occasional charging during winter (i use it during winter charging that way as well) would suffice. you’d need to load test them individually (after charging) to get any idea of what shape they are all in. keep using the old one is what i say. I replaced it with a similar AGM, since the Panasonic was not available. Maybe it can’t make up it’s mind to charge or not to charge. Sealed or Top-up? I haven’t seen any in this thread, or other threads. Shipping & Delivery (See BU-403: Charging Lead Acid.) Minutes at 8 amps:706 15 amp chargers should be used with caution.

Good for you, I don’t care what you believe or trust or think you know. There is lots of good (factual) information available on charge/discharge life cycles that can be expected. Thank you for your help.

Do not mix and match batteries of different ratings. My battery maintainer does not seem to work on my new AGM battery for my motorcycle.. What is wrong? In my entire multi-decade lifetime, I’ve replaced my “neglected” car batteries less than a half-dozen times. My stock battery lasted 6 years. I appreciate all of the information and experiences shared, it is helpful for me to read the good and bad. I made my measurements after resting the battery under no load for a couple of hours, which seemed to me to be a reproducible condition. It’s wired thru a switch (on-off), so the battery can be set to disconnect from the vehicle (if you run it down during camping, the starting battery is preserved so you won’t be stranded. Thanks for that, do you have any circuits or commercial info for me please, it is something I would like to investigate further. as there is other battery involve will the charging be harmful?? ^^ Thanks for that chart. This is top-notch analysis. 4. Obviously it charges it as it would a regular battery,  thus shortening its life. Maybe your reading comprehension needs to be improved.

I put together the following battery state of charge chart which indicates the state-of-charge (percent) as it relates to battery voltage or specific gravity. Ideally use a charger with temperature compensation and a temperature sensor which can be attached to the batteries being charged.

And, if in storage it should be fully charged every 3 months. If you have an older trickle charger, be sure to remove the cables shortly after the battery has reached its full charge. But every battery must be cared for just like a pet !, I use to say regarding yachts that the batteries is the heart of the boat. My aim is to design the charts to be easy to read at a glance without being too technical.My figures so far....State Of Charge (SOC) for AGM BatteriesIt will be pointed out that SOC can only be measured by voltage when the battery bank has been at rest for at least 3 hours. Ashburton (03) 9005 2020 Hi. TOPIC: State Of Charge (SOC) Chart for AGM Batteries madaboutled. you could also send an email or ask bmw on their facebook page. It should be ” environmentally friendly” as because less material being used, like no gell, no spillables etc. Advantages,  it’s less vulnerable to vibration plus its lighter than a traditional, flooded lead acid battery. There are some that claim to be made by Yuasa to the same specs but a lower price point for resale. Jim, you will want to connect your batteries up to an equalizer such as this one http://amzn.to/2nRe2XE ALWAYS use a battery charger designed for charging AGM's.

In general car or van Alternators work reasonably well with Lead Acid and AGM batteries (not GEL). Would i need to put a charger on it over the winter before returning it to service in the spring? A good thread and some good info but I thinks the theory and practice collide from time to time.

you have no idea what I’ve done or come up with or experienced to state any of your rubbish. you can *try* and add distilled water, but I’ve only ever managed to bring back two to life out of about 20, and even then, at greatly reduced capacity, which will drag the other batteries down if they’re in a bank and only damage them more over time.

it might also mean there is an issue with the battery. Double the times if 100% discharged.

may i ask what is the lowest operating temperature for AGM battery?? This is something many Morningstar and other good quality regulators can provide.

BU-802a: How does Rising Internal Resistance affect Performance? The charts have ranges depending on the CCA (cold cranking amps) or RC (reserve capacity) of your car battery. Don’t know. 76EC3717-8AF5-490F-BCF0-634921BF5C7F.jpeg. FIRST, thank you for BU, I have learned a lot, and refreshed my 45 y.o. Reserve Capacity (min): 120 Minute

It's now 1500 and suns up and your battery voltage is 13.8V and solar is cracking along and charging 20A. Does it make sense that one of the cells is bad and needs fluid? It would be interesting to see what others think about that one. It’s been my personal policy to expect to replace this type of battery without any questions as soon as they get to the 5 year mark. BU-210a: Why does Sodium-sulfur need to be heated, BU-214: Summary Table of Lead-based Batteries, BU-215: Summary Table of Nickel-based Batteries, BU-216: Summary Table of Lithium-based Batteries, BU-217: Summary Table of Alternate Batteries, BU-218: Summary Table of Future Batteries, BU-301: A look at Old and New Battery Packaging, BU-302: Series and Parallel Battery Configurations.

So, 6AH/5 hours = 1.2 amps per average hour from the 1.5 amp charger. In this article, I will be covering how I calculated the numbers in my charts, what type of charger is best for charging your car’s battery, charging your car battery with the car’s alternator, and the length of time to charge a car battery when using commonly available chargers. -Hold that charge much better, so it is not necessary to plug-in after every ride. as for acid burn? %PDF-1.6 %���� seriously, you’re a twit.

the author initially stated that AGM was developed in 1985, which is simply untrue. Risk of overcharging, out-gasing of hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide at large levels can be expected. Measure the voltage across the battery terminals. Voltage (V): 12 Volt

Any advice would be appreciated. (puncture a lithium battery at your peril).

Charging guide Yes, they do but it isn’t an ideal way of charging a 50% or more discharged battery. you must have to use battery charger with over charging cut-off and temperature sensor instead this kind of battery charge will improve your batteries for long lasting as it has temperature sensor which is connected with the battery terminals when it goes over heat charger will stop charging and when the batteries are charged it will be disconnect the power supply currently i am using VICTRON energy battery charger and it has all above mention future. most of what you have written here in this string is simple stuff you google.

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